2023-08-30 Conda Community Meeting

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Various parts of the conda community gather on a regular basis. This meeting brings together all of these sub-communities for a community wide call.

Attendees

Name	Initials	Affiliation	GH Username
Travis Hathaway	TH	Anaconda	travishathaway
Dave Clements	DPC	Anaconda	tnabtaf
Filipe Fernandes	FF	conda-forge	ocefpaf
Jannis Leidel	JL	Anaconda	jezdez
Marius van Niekerk	MvN	Voltron Data / conda-forge	mariusvniekerk
Katherine Kinnaman	KK	Anaconda	kathatherine
Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra	JRG	Quansight	jaimergp
Pavithra Eswaramoorthy	PE	Quansight	pavithraes
Rachel Asquith	RAA	Anaconda	rasquith
Cheng H. Lee	CHL	Anaconda/c-f	chenghlee
Sebastien Awwad	SA		awwad

14 people in total

Introductions

None

Announcements

None

New Agenda Items

• TH conda-auth demo (progress so far)

  • Brief CLI Demo
  • Show open issues and PR
  • More info: https://github.com/conda-incubator/conda-auth
  • Based on new auth-handlers plugin hook: https://github.com/conda/conda/pull/12911

• JL: CLA: Still talking with NumFOCUS to implement the change

  • hopefully solved tomorrow
  • need to re-sign
  • context: change of conda's CLA from Anaconda to NumFOCUS non-profit

• JL: Intention (still!) to form conda security team

  • looking for interested people

• DPC: Outreachy?

  • Community Applications due in a week or two.
  • Especially asking for conda-forge (I know this not a CF call...)
  • Nope. Not gonna happen.

• JRG: Quiz time! How do you understand conda pins? e.g. that thing that you can add to $CONDA_PREFIX/conda-meta/pinned

  • ⛓️ A conda pin acts as run_constrained. It limits which PackageRecords are accepted as a valid solution. Adding a pin with python has no effect because it means any Python. Users are expected to add python=3.8 or similar.
  • 🔒 A conda pin acts as a lock. If the spec matches something installed, then it freezes it. Adding a pin with python freezes whatever Python is installed. I don’t understand in this case how things should work when the pin is added before the package is installed.
  • The docs seem to hint at the ⛓️ option, but the test mentioned above assumes 🔒-like behavior?
  • So... what would you expect out of a conda-meta/pinned configured as simply python?
  • Reasons to stay with a pinned Python:
    • Legacy reasons when base was more popular
    • py27 -> py33 is bad
    • Pip-installed packages will break
    • Churn due to the noarch reinstallations
  • Let's try with something else than Python (e.g. numpy) - thanks Marius

• DPC: Is conda Free? A new blog post about an old question.

  • Please point people at it when you get this question.
  • Posted at Anaconda.com, instead of conda.org because a lot of the post is about Anaconda products (the ones that can cost money). There is a link to it on conda.org.

• WV: Results of the vote on Bas for conda steering

  • 9 / 14 voted (64.29%)
  • 8 / 14 yes (57.14%)
  • 1 abstain
  • WV will rerun the vote